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| SassyCat23 |
Im a canton native although my mother grew up in louisville. My sister recently began working at a nursing home by Molly Stark Hospital. I have been intriqued by the place since I was younger. Im interested in knowing if anyone has had any experiences there. Im a big paranormal junkie and any stories or facts you could relay about molly stark hospital would be great. |
| dammaof2 |
hi.. i am from alliance and i have alway's heard that ''molly stark''was haunted also.i do know that when my oldest brother worked there for community services he would alway's tell us he was scared to death in that place working & he hated it. did you know that underneath the whole estate there are tunnels? interesting!!! |
| bbbaker |
have heard it housed TB patients but my grandmother was there in the 1930's and she didn't have TB. Although its said she was a nut case and i've heard it was also used for the nut cases |
| farlingo |
I have two angels that were apparently on the ceiling at Molly Stark Hospital when it was built. They have been refurbished beautifully and hang in my living room. Although beautiful, I can just imagine the stories that they must have. They are 4 feet by 4 feet and are plastered into my walls. They are a conversation piece!! I have heard that Molly Stark was a TB ward in the 30's, a mental institution, and was going to be used after 9/11 if we would have been attacked with biological war, the government would have used the institution to house people. |
| meg1234 |
I have friends that have recently been in molly stark. They saw some veryyy interesting things. They found a room with an electric shock machine, rooms that were completely isolated no windows or anything except for one chair in the middle with restraints, or a cot with straps. I know the hospital was for the mentally unstable, and they used pioneer experiments for those people. Although they may have thought they were helping, a lot of torture was done there, so i'm sure there are unsettled spirits. I've known a lot of people that have been in there and every one of them has felt cold hands on them, have seen doors slammed, and a few have even said they have seen things. It is a scary place, and I would NEVER go in there! People shouldn't mess with things of this magnitude, if you believe or not. |
| Snohomish |
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I have friends that have recently been in molly stark.
How does one go about getting in there to see the place? |
| imthememe |
There were no ghosts at Molly Stark !! |
| imthememe |
I worked at Molly Stark for about 4 years. IT was first a TB hospital, then after there were no more TB, they turned it into a Critical Care, Alcholic Inpatient, Drug Addiction inpatient, and a home for the Mentally Handicapped. There were no Ghosts !! People like to make up storied, and the ones that talk about the 'nut cases' are usually the Nut Cases !!!!!
The tunnels were used for the doctors and nurses that stayed there during the TB times.. they could go back and forth to the little houses out front where they stayed.
Molly Stark was/is a beautiful old building.. that has helped many, many people in the years it was a hospital... too bad they let it go.
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| xoroxybabi4uox |
I have heard a lot of stories about Molly Stark Hospital. Everything from it being haunted to people seeing ghosts. My mom used to work there before the place closed down. The tunnels are real. They led to the houses out in front where the doctor's lived. I also know a few kids that broke into the place. Said it was the scariest thing they have ever done. It was cold, rundown, and overall very interesting. They felt spirits there with them. They even saw white orbs when they took pictures. (white spots everywhere)meaning there are ghosts. I believe all of this. Just like any hospital it has spirits. I would love to go through it someday if anyone knows anything more about it please post something! |
| xoroxybabi4uox |
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I have two angels that were apparently on the ceiling at Molly Stark Hospital when it was built. They have been refurbished beautifully and hang in my living room. Although beautiful, I can just imagine the stories that they must have. They are 4 feet by 4 feet and are plastered into my walls. They are a conversation piece!! I have heard that Molly Stark was a TB ward in the 30's, a mental institution, and was going to be used after 9/11 if we would have been attacked with biological war, the government would have used the institution to house people.
How did you get these angels? Were they auctioned off or what? |
| imthememe |
There were no ghosts at Molly Stark !!
The ones that tell this gossip were probably never there.
It is just a big old imposing building...nothing more.
I worked there for quite awhile, and I worked the night shift...... NO GHOSTS were ever reported !!!!!!!!
shirley |
| farlingo |
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I have two angels that were apparently on the ceiling at Molly Stark Hospital when it was built. They have been refurbished beautifully and hang in my living room. Although beautiful, I can just imagine the stories that they must have. They are 4 feet by 4 feet and are plastered into my walls. They are a conversation piece!! I have heard that Molly Stark was a TB ward in the 30's, a mental institution, and was going to be used after 9/11 if we would have been attacked with biological war, the government would have used the institution to house people.
How did you get these angels? Were they auctioned off or what?
I am not certain; they were in the house when we purchased it. If you are interested in them, let me know; we are getting ready to remodel and may take them down. |
| ChristieH1967 |
I have a friend that I work with that would love to go through Molly Stark,does anyone know who to contact to be able to arrange that...thanks,Christie Christie Hayhurst |
| Heidi |
This caught my attention because I worked there about 10 years ago. It was closed as being a hospital but we worked there to film records. Yes I believe it is haunted. The elevators used to go up and down and no one would be around. If you walked around on the 3rd floor you would walk through very icy cold air. We went through the tunnels. Nothing scary there. It was just used for the nurses and doctors. Never saw and equipment it was all gone. Molly Stark was a TB hospital. That is why it was built but then TB was getting to be unheard of and they explanded. Read some intersting files out there. It was an experience. It is such a shame they let it go. The entrance with all of the marble was beautiful. Hope this helped. |
| LizzeAnn |
I did not even know the Molly Stark Hospital existed until this afternoon when my husband happened to take us for a drive. Now I must admit I am intrigued. I've been searching the internet with little success. Does anyone know of a website, book etc where I can find information on the Molly Stark Hospital (not the actual person)? Any help would be much appreciated. |
| bulmas_apples |
My mom worked there for 5 years after it closed, working for the Stark County records office. I've personally been in the building myself a few times. Very scary. Lots of noises and cold spots. The elevator would go up and down by itself, it would stick on just about anyone who got in it... the 3rd floor was the worst... large empty rooms and I remember a strap-down table for patients. Also, my mother took pictures and there was smoke coming out of the windows. She always claimed she felt someone poking/tapping her shoulder. I believe it's haunted... those of you who don't, it's because you just didn't experience anything first hand, you're in denial, or you live on logics. Goodday! :) |
| bulmas_apples |
My mom worked there for 5 years after it closed, working for the Stark County records office. I've personally been in the building myself a few times. Very scary. Lots of noises and cold spots. The elevator would go up and down by itself, it would stick on just about anyone who got in it... the 3rd floor was the worst... large empty rooms and I remember a strap-down table for patients. Also, my mother took pictures and there was smoke coming out of the windows. She always claimed she felt someone poking/tapping her shoulder. I believe it's haunted... those of you who don't, it's because you just didn't experience anything first hand, you're in denial, or you live on logics. Goodday! :) |
| imthememe |
The point about Molly Stark can be argued forever.
You have to believe what you want..
and there are some that think the moon is made of cheese............. |
| mav |
My mother worked there for a long time as a nurse. My brother and I would often visit her at work . i personally have no ghost stories to tell but i know my mother has lots of intriging stories I have yet to hear. I mainly have memories of helping with the kids christmas parties. I am concerned though...do you realize you are committing a crime when you are breaking into Molly ?? I hope this activity is not causing further damage to the once beautiful building. I can only hope that maybe one day she will be restored to her former beauty. |
| mav |
My mother worked there for a long time as a nurse. My brother and I would often visit her at work . i personally have no ghost stories to tell but i know my mother has lots of intriging stories I have yet to hear. I mainly have memories of helping with the kids christmas parties. I am concerned though...do you realize you are committing a crime when you are breaking into Molly ?? I hope this activity is not causing further damage to the once beautiful building. I can only hope that maybe one day she will be restored to her former beauty. |
| ladymaiden71 |
Those angels are part of a replication of Michaelangelo's Sistine Chapel and hung over the main entrance way of Molly Stark.
The Artist who rendered that
Mural was my Great- Grandfather Charles Nelson Greene who dies in 1935 from stomach Cancer. He made a respectable living here in Canton supporting 7 children painting houses and Murals commissioned by Molly Stark. He also painted the Disney Character's and animal Murals in the children's ward.I would love to see my Grandpa's Angels if your are ever interested in showing them. Does anyone else remember the children's ward murals or know if they still decorate the walls? Thank you. quote:
I have two angels that were apparently on the ceiling at Molly Stark Hospital when it was built. They have been refurbished beautifully and hang in my living room. Although beautiful, I can just imagine the stories that they must have. They are 4 feet by 4 feet and are plastered into my walls. They are a conversation piece!! I have heard that Molly Stark was a TB ward in the 30's, a mental institution, and was going to be used after 9/11 if we would have been attacked with biological war, the government would have used the institution to house people.
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| ladymaiden71 |
I am a certified paranormal investigator and I can tell you orbs are not always spirits, it depends on depth, color, and asemetry. Most of what I see on film (digital or otherwise)that people refer to as "spirit orbs " are little more than dust particals that get on the lense and refract from even the most minimal light source. This is a professional opinion but you can choose to take it or leave it. |
| langer1 |
I'm from Harrisburg, my mother was 2nd floor nursing supervisor at Molly Stark for 14 years. She don't believe in ghost's but seen some things that just had no explanation. |
| DebbieH |
Molly Stark. Well, here's an old topic. I just found this discussion group. I currently live in South Carolina, and was curious to know what was going on with the old Molly building. I worked there in the early 80's. I loved that place! As for all the rumors of ghosts etc, I never had that feeling there! I would give anything to have the $ to take that building and remodel it and put it to good use. It is historical and if not done soon, it will be gone. How sad. I talk about that place constantly and would love to know recent updates if anyone has any info on it! Thanks! |
| langer1 |
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Molly Stark. Well, here's an old topic. I just found this discussion group. I currently live in South Carolina, and was curious to know what was going on with the old Molly building. I worked there in the early 80's. I loved that place! As for all the rumors of ghosts etc, I never had that feeling there! I would give anything to have the $ to take that building and remodel it and put it to good use. It is historical and if not done soon, it will be gone. How sad. I talk about that place constantly and would love to know recent updates if anyone has any info on it! Thanks!
Did you know Marry Dillon or Dorthy Lang? |
| DebbieH |
Did you know Marry Dillon or Dorthy Lang? Actually, No, I'm sorry, I don't recall many names at all. I remember that my supervisor's name was Mrs. Baker. A wonderful woman! I worked there as an aide for a little over a year, then moved out of state. I just rememeber that I fell in love with the job, the hospital, the patients and most of my co-workers! If I had not moved out of the area, I think I'd have gone to school for nursing and/or stayed there as long as I could. I read some news articles that there are people trying to purchase the land and building and upgrade it. It has been a dream of mine for a very long time. I would be interested in opening a facility for helping kids in trouble. Well at least along those lines. Just a dream.
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| langer1 |
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Did you know Marry Dillon or Dorthy Lang?Actually, No, I'm sorry, I don't recall many names at all. I remember that my supervisor's name was Mrs. Baker. A wonderful woman! I worked there as an aide for a little over a year, then moved out of state. I just remember that I fell in love with the job, the hospital, the patients and most of my co-workers! If I had not moved out of the area, I think I'd have gone to school for nursing and/or stayed there as long as I could. I read some news articles that there are people trying to purchase the land and building and upgrade it. It has been a dream of mine for a very long time. I would be interested in opening a facility for helping kids in trouble. Well at least along those lines. Just a dream.
I guess she was retired by then.
You mention helping kids, and when I went to High school I went with some children from an Orphanage called Fairmont Children's home, thats gone now also but something this country really needs, all those kids turned out to be wonderful citizens. It was a 350 acer Farm and totally self supported, the kids all worked the farm and fields.
By todays standards I guess that would be child abuse. |
| DebbieH |
I also remember Fairmont. It was located up by the park, on Union Ave. When I was a kid, it was still up and running. I knew a few kids from there, back then. And yes, they were all good kids! I do not recall their names today, or whatever happened to them. I think that the reason all the children's homes were shut down, is just like everything else in our society. Instead of getting contol of the ones that are not run correctly, they make the general assumption that they are all bad. So, many kids lost a good home and put into abusive foster homes. It's just like the mental instituions. If one is bad, we assume they all are. At Molly, we had a childrens ward for mentally handicapped. When President Carter passed the law that "no child will go without an education", it became more abuse for these poor kids. I undertand the the purpose of the law, and it was good. But these poor mentally, physically handicapped kids suffered do to it. We used to have to prepare them, ship them out on a bus everyday to a school. It was just horrible! Some of these poor kids were not even physically capable of tolerating being transferred in their chairs. We'd ship them out in freezing weather, to come back home with illnesses. It broke my heart. They'd have been better left there, and individually dealt with to take them to whatever level they could achieve. It was just sad. We had an alcoholic ward, which actually still had one TB patient on. Most of the wards were for those that had strokes or needed a place to recover from surgeries etc. It closed after I left there, and I am sure due to more beuratic crap that made it impossible to run. I guess she was retired by then.
You mention helping kids, and when I went to High school I went with some children from an Orphanage called Fairmont Children's home, thats gone now also but something this country really needs, all those kids turned out to be wonderful citizens. It was a 350 acer Farm and totally self supported, the kids all worked the farm and fields.
By todays standards I guess that would be child abuse.
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| kingraymon |
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| Kodiak |
I had the honor to work on site at Molly Stark well after it was closed down. We were there to review the buildings that needed to be torn down because of structural issues. Yes, there are tunnels and the main purpose for the tunnels was all the steam lines that heated all the buildings come from the boiler building in the middle of the campus. The tunnels are not comfortable to walk in unless your short and skinny. I would not recommend trespassing since a police department patrols the facilities and a security guard also watches the buildings for looters and vandals. The hospital building is full of boxes of old medical files and not much else. I'm not sure were these so called torture chambers or chairs were located since they were not in any parts of the buildings that we walked through and we went through them all. The cold you feel in the building is not spirits, it is because it is cold! The building has broken windows and has not had heat in years. The cold comes from the concrete and it's ability to hold the cold as well as it would hold heat. I think people feel like it is haunted because it was a hospital at one time and now it is run down. The out lying buildings were a Nurse's house, Doctor's House, Garage for maintenance equipment and boiler building. I was lucky enough to be on site to see what could be salvaged and sold at auction before some of the buildings were torn down. The materials auctioned were to help offset the cost to demolish the structurally unstable buildings. Let me say the marble in the hospital is amazing and would be nice to see all cleaned up. The facility is a landmark and should be saved but there is not enough community infrastructure (stores, amenities, ect.)to prove worth while to rehab the buildings. I would love to see the site developed into a golf course and the hospital could be a club house/convention center/hotel. Location, location, location, is why this would not be feasible to do. |
| langer1 |
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I had the honor to work on site at Molly Stark well after it was closed down. We were there to review the buildings that needed to be torn down because of structural issues. Yes, there are tunnels and the main purpose for the tunnels was all the steam lines that heated all the buildings come from the boiler building in the middle of the campus. The tunnels are not comfortable to walk in unless your short and skinny. I would not recommend trespassing since a police department patrols the facilities and a security guard also watches the buildings for looters and vandals. The hospital building is full of boxes of old medical files and not much else. I'm not sure were these so called torture chambers or chairs were located since they were not in any parts of the buildings that we walked through and we went through them all. The cold you feel in the building is not spirits, it is because it is cold! The building has broken windows and has not had heat in years. The cold comes from the concrete and it's ability to hold the cold as well as it would hold heat. I think people feel like it is haunted because it was a hospital at one time and now it is run down. The out lying buildings were a Nurse's house, Doctor's House, Garage for maintenance equipment and boiler building. I was lucky enough to be on site to see what could be salvaged and sold at auction before some of the buildings were torn down. The materials auctioned were to help offset the cost to demolish the structurally unstable buildings. Let me say the marble in the hospital is amazing and would be nice to see all cleaned up. The facility is a landmark and should be saved but there is not enough community infrastructure (stores, amenities, ect.)to prove worth while to rehab the buildings. I would love to see the site developed into a golf course and the hospital could be a club house/convention center/hotel. Location, location, location, is why this would not be feasible to do.
I have been in the underground part and yes some tunnels are need for steam. There are many other tunneles though and the whole hostpital was made to be able to operate under ground in case of a bomb attact. So yes there are service tunnles, theres also just plan walkway tunnles also and huge rooms under the court yard. |
| DebbieH |
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I had the honor to work on site at Molly Stark well after it was closed down. What I wouldn't give to have the money to purchase and develop Molly! I have fantasized about it for so many years! Well, guess not in this lifetime. But, I just heard that they are finally talking about putting it up for sale, to rid the expense. I wish that had done that many years ago, before it got in such poor condition. The biggest expense alone, I'm sure will be removing the aspestos. I hope that if and when it is sold, that they will not tear it down. For sure... you are right...It would make a perfect place for a golf course and club house!!! |
| rbhild |
When I was in high school in 1947, a fellow student and I were found to have TB. We both entered Molly Stark in Feb. 1947. We received excellent care but unfortunately my fellow student died. I still feel badly for her because she was such a nice person. After 52 weeks in Molly Stark I was discharged and returned to high school, attend college and university and became a school administrator. Dr. Brueckner was the chief medical person.....a great guy. Treatment was great, met some fine folks there and Elmer the cook prepared some delicious meals. When I entered I weighed 150 and when I was discharged I weighed 200!
I owe my life to the caring folks at Molly Stark. |
| DebbieH |
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When I was in high school in 1947, a fellow student and I were found to have TB. The good Lord obviously had a very important plan in your life to touch others! What a wonderful memory for you to have gratitude for! I am sure you have led a very ineresting life thus far! I pray you have many, many more!
Debbie |
| DebbieH |
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I have two angels that were apparently on the ceiling at Molly Stark Hospital when it was built. They have been refurbished beautifully and hang in my living room. Although beautiful, I can just imagine the stories that they must have. They are 4 feet by 4 feet and are plastered into my walls. They are a conversation piece!! I have heard that Molly Stark was a TB ward in the 30's, a mental institution, and was going to be used after 9/11 if we would have been attacked with biological war, the government would have used the institution to house people.
I'd love to see a digital picture of these Angels in your home. I realize this is a very private request, so if you decide not to share this, I surely understand. I recall the beautiful ceilings and even fireplaces that they used as our lunch room by the time I worked there. I can give you my email address if you chose to allow me to see the.
Thanks!
Debbie
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| rbhild |
Hi Debbie, Thanks for your nice comment! I appreciate it. When I became ill, I was a student in Washington High School in Massillon. By chance, did you attend there? My wife and I are living in the mountains of Georgia and if we can sell our house here we will move to Chapel Hill Community in Canal Fulton, OH. Stay well.....blessings,
Bill
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When I was in high school in 1947, a fellow student and I were found to have TB. The good Lord obviously had a very important plan in your life to touch others! What a wonderful memory for you to have gratitude for! I am sure you have led a very ineresting life thus far! I pray you have many, many more!
Debbie
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| DebbieH |
Actually I went to school in Alliance and graduated from there in 1972. Since that time I've traveled to many states, but came back to live in Ohio several times. My husband and I moved here to South Carolina from Massillon. He went to school in Canton, but I did not meet him until 111 years ago. We both have family still in Ohio, but do not miss the nasty weather there, so will stay put where we are. We have been here now for nearly 4 years. Good Luck getting back home!
Hi Debbie,Thanks for your nice comment! I appreciate it. When I became ill, I was a student in Washington High School in Massillon. By chance, did you attend there? My wife and I are living in the mountains of Georgia and if we can sell our house here we will move to Chapel Hill Community in Canal Fulton, OH. Stay well.....blessings,
Bill
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When I was in high school in 1947, a fellow student and I were found to have TB. The good Lord obviously had a very important plan in your life to touch others! What a wonderful memory for you to have gratitude for! I am sure you have led a very ineresting life thus far! I pray you have many, many more!
Debbie
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| rbhild |
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Hi again, Our son moved from Providence RI to Durham NC last fall. He loves the weather there. He can't believe that he can play baseball practically all winter with friends that he has made in Durham. Take care.... Bill
Actually I went to school in Alliance and graduated from there in 1972. Since that time I've traveled to many states, but came back to live in Ohio several times. My husband and I moved here to South Carolina from Massillon. He went to school in Canton, but I did not meet him until 111 years ago. We both have family still in Ohio, but do not miss the nasty weather there, so will stay put where we are. We have been here now for nearly 4 years. Good Luck getting back home!
Hi Debbie, Thanks for your nice comment! I appreciate it. When I became ill, I was a student in Washington High School in Massillon. By chance, did you attend there? My wife and I are living in the mountains of Georgia and if we can sell our house here we will move to Chapel Hill Community in Canal Fulton, OH. Stay well.....blessings,
Bill
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When I was in high school in 1947, a fellow student and I were found to have TB. The good Lord obviously had a very important plan in your life to touch others! What a wonderful memory for you to have gratitude for! I am sure you have led a very ineresting life thus far! I pray you have many, many more!
Debbie
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| heartsmoons |
My dad was a resident of Molly Stark back in the 70's/80's for alcohol. My uncle also had a stay there. I remember visiting and even celebrating my birthday there with my dad. It is a beautiful building. Bill, I wish you good luck with your move. I work at Chapel Hill Community and it is a great place and there are great people who live and work there. |
| Samanthaphoto |
I just finished a photo shoot at Molly Stark for a photography project based around the book "One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest by Kesey. Yes, I did go inside - there was a window that was already broken and I crawled through it. I tried to visit the hospital the "legal" way and contacted all of the right people who all said "no" because it was dangerous. I know it is trespassing but it was worth it. And yes, it is dangerous - the place reeks of asbestos and there is broken glass and fallen ceiling tiles in every room. Being in the hospital was very very unsettling and I am not one to be frightened easily. The pictures turned out great so the three trips were worth it but I have no desire to ever go back! you can check out my photos at:
http://flickr.com/photos/8405538@N08/sets/72157604704654073/ |
| mechboy6000 |
I took some pictures of the outside. It's amazing the building is still in pretty good shape except for the broken windows. |
| Snohomish |
From what I have heard, the ATF (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms) are hanging out in Molly Stark as one of their locations, so breaking in would NOT be smart. As far as elevators running up and down - that happens all the time in many buildings that have elevators. I would LOVE to take a tour. They have the haunted prison in Mansfield; I think it would benefit Stark County to open it up for night sleepovers for those looking to get spooked. Edited by - snohomish on 07/09/2008 12:14:36 PM |
| Snohomish |
Samanthaphoto - you're nuts for breaking in there and posting them! That's almost self incriminating! Edited by - snohomish on 07/10/2008 12:40:15 PM |
| mollysupporter |
I have lived by Molly Stark for over 35 years and have concerns over the Stark County Commissions new plans of tearing down the historical building and putting a recycling center in its place. They claim that there has been no interest in anyone buying the building ( which is a lie- there have been several interested parties looking to restore it's beauty and printed articles attesting to that fact, but the commissioners were not interested because they would not profit) I would also like to note that the alleged fires always seem to occur at their convenience. They were denied funding help for refurbishing on July 1 (Massillon Independent)and several days later a fire started making it easier for them to get approval for demolishing the building. I was at the other previous fire personally and witnessed some disturbing behaviors from our commissioners. On both occasions, the fires started with documents that were supposed to have been removed years ago by the county!
It was the most beautiful building and it should have been maintained or sold many years ago. There will be a community meeting on Tues. July 15 at 7:30 pm at the Fire Station in front of Molly Stark to find out what we need to do as a community to stop them from putting up a recycling center right next to a nursing home! As far as the ghost stories go, I have never seen any as a child or adult but have always heard stories of hauntings. Maybe TAPS should be called in to dispell the stories. |
| DebbieH |
Mollysupporter,
I hope there is a lot of support to fight this! If I still lived in Ohio, I'd be the first one there! What I wouldn't give to be able to purchase it and replenish it. What a horrible shame to see this happen! And you are right there have been many that have tried to do just what I'd like to do, and they have not been permitted to. The commisioner is obviously ignorant or just plain selfish and unconcerned about the history and beauty of the area. It's just a crime! I wish someone would come rescue the building and grounds and make good use of it, vs. this plan! Good Luck at the meeting, I hope you will let us know what happened. |
| J-bird13 |
I hope to see all tonight at the meeting. It'll shine a lot of light on Molly Stark! |
| mechboy6000 |
I was really hoping to be at the meeting but I have to watch the kids. I really want to know all that they discuss- if any and all could pass the info on that would be great. And if anyone can talk them into doing an investigation there PLEASE, PLEASE keep me in mind to go  |
| mollysupporter |
Molly Stark update: There was a tremendous turnout for the community discussion (80+ people) as well as Stark County commissioner, Todd Bosley. A volunteer committee was put together to research and present an alternative use for the property to be presented to the Commissioners. (We were told they would work with us in one breath and then in another breath we were told that the property will now be auctioned to the highest bidder and we are now at the mercy of the buyer) Agreement was reached that the building would need to be removed due to lack of mainenence and repair. There were several in the community with possible alternatives to a recycling center. Some of them discussed were a Park and/or senior housing (assisted living/park combo)- constructing a memory site with the history of Molly Stark on the property. Mr. Bosley said that there will NOT be a recycling center on that property due to the response. We have a long road ahead of us as we continue to find a suitable alternative and hope that this can be done before the county follows through with their 'threat' if we didn't want the recycling center. Hopefully the community will continue to come together to help with fund raisers, etc. |
| J-bird13 |
WOW!! there was NO threat! I was there. What was said and what people heard were obviously two different things! What was said about the auction is if no one could come up with a funded plan there would have to be action taken and an auction set up, he wasn't threatening our community or the surrounding houses. To be truthful I felt no one wanted to listen to the commissionerS plan - they were completely against it without even hearing it. It's sad that just because "waste" was in the title of a company that not only wanted to BRING OUR COMMUNITY money but to bring MOLLY STARK back to life (isnt that the purpose of the fight) and make it what it deserves to be... but the ignorance of those that were told a landfill or a quarry was going in shut everyone down. People came with their own agenda and didnt want to listen to anyone elses. Thats a shame, Molly Stark -the meaning and building- was put to shame by lack of knowledge and ability to listen. The facts and history in that building the memories of those there and lost...to that... I have no words for. All I am saying is next time a meeting is to be held people should really listen to the facilitator and respect others by letting their voices heard and not ignored (even the commissioners). Its a shame Molly Stark wasnt put into use in the mid 90's but that is no ones fault. We can all argue this for years to come. What we need to do is listen to the ideas of others. I agree a park would be nice but for the neighbors who want a quiet respectible neighborhood, I can tell you one thing- It wont be by creating a park. Traffic will increase and for those that think people are breaking in to MS to do drugs and drink... what do you think happens at parks- the only 'law' they break is the after dark guidline. All they want is something "pretty" to look at. Molly Stark is beautiful and deserves to be looked at! The RECYCLING facility was going to do just that. Create a 10 acre park and a senior facility and community center but did anyone want to listen or hear details or see a PLAN no- they just heard the title. Its all a SHAME to Molly Stark! |
| mollysupporter |
(Dear Mr Bosley,)
I understand that you were unhappy with the community response. 1) Many of the community felt a veiled threat with a couple of the comments, but that is neither here nor there. The objective is to move forward as a community and work together as a community. We want to help be a part of the solution with Molly Stark and intend on doing this in conjunction with the commissioners support and guidance. There should be no hard feelings from the rejection of a recylcing center. The purest underground waterway runs right under the adjacent property and would be in danger of being polluted as well has health hazards that were addressed from residents physicians (environmental allergies). We would like to help find a solution that would be acceptable for the county and the community. In reference to the agenda of the meeting and not letting Mr Bosley present his plan, the purpose of the community meeting was only set up for the citizens to voice their concerns and for a handful of people to take those concerns to the commissioners. This was the intended plan. Mr. Bosley decided to join the discussion in front of the group instead of waiting for a select few to present our concerns. Bottom line is that we all want was is in the best interest for the county and the community. I also know for a fact that a community center and senior center was not in the commisioners plan until he spoke with a citizen who brought up those ideas. This is why it is important to get the surrounding community involved in a discussion whenever there is a plan for something of this magnitude. That step was excluded, but can still be resolved with cooperation on both sides. The community group has every intention of working with the commissioners. Let us now go forward and work together. |
| J-bird13 |
Actually here is a post from the Canton Repository "Maria Muhleman - 9:01 AM on July 16, 2008
Too bad. Medina County has a very nice recycling facility where all of the county's trash is taken for sorting and bundling for recycling. You can't see it from the road, there is not litter on the site because of the way in which the tipping floor was designed (enclosed) and although they do compost the "fines" (garbage) there are no real odors emanating from the facility. I was in for a tour and amazed at how clean the facilty is kept. The explanation for that is the facility is a public facility and as such they keep it clean in case any member of the public comes to see the facility unannounced. It employs a lot of folks and serves as a place to take yard wastes, buy composts and mulch, take scrap tires for low cost disposal and the facility sells the scrap generating income to offset costs. Everybody recycles in Medina, willingly or not, because of this facility. This in turn saves landfill space. They like to share their success with others, Repository and detractors, take the tour and see. A park is nice, but the area needs jobs and greening up wouldn't hurt either. " So please rethink your views mollysupporter because you are obviously not listening like you inteded when you set up the meeting. And about the fact that the works of a park and restoration of the building and senior center was not thought up by me the citizen but by Mr Bosley himself so before you jump to another conclusing like you did with the "waste center" like you told all the neighbors please listen completely. Thank you!
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| mollysupporter |
Mr Bosley (J-bird-13),
This forum is really not for this intended purpose. I know for a fact that you had not thought of a senior center, because your comment to Mr. (unnamed) was " I never thought of that, what a good idea-". This is the FACTs. No one ran to the neighbors and started complaining about a "waste center". The facts are simple 1) a report was printed in the paper about the plans for a recycling center for Molly Stark 2) Concerned citizen contacted a Nimishillen Township trustee and asked how we could get together as a community to voice our concerns 3)the group was going to take our concerns to the commissioners 4) We had every intention to hear you side of the story.
What happened was that there was a tremendous to amount of people (80+) at the meeting and when you decided to address the community. As I said before, there is a committee that has been started and had every intention of sitting down with the commissioners and talking one-to-one to find the best solution. You made the decision to declare NO MOLLY STARK at the meeting when there were people not willing to listen because of emotions. The proper way would have been to let the community talk and knowing that a committee was forming, ask that you have the opportunity to share your plan with this group so they could bring it back to the table. This would have eliminated the 'fresh emotions' from the comments that were printed in the newpaper by yourself and Mr Harmon. Is it the proper place for a recycling center? Probably not, but would the committee sit with the commisioners and evaluate it's potential and discuss enhancements- yes. We are not the irrational ones and should not be accused of such. There were alot a frustrated citizen and they had every right to voice thir opinion. I tend to feel that the people we elect into office should be able to handle a situation in a more professional manner so that decisions are not based on frustration or emotions.
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| J-bird13 |
I am my own person, I do not work for Mr Bosley nor do I think from his thoughts, they are my own. I contacted him just as upset as the surrounding community! I had my own opinion and my own thoughts. We talked and he told me of the plans, I did not give him ideas- those were already created. When did I ever say Oh that is a good idea. You obviously have me confused with someone else! And the comment about 'NO Molly Stark-' a room of 80 people decided before even LISTENING to the plan before he even got there to say anything, to veto it. How does that work, don't you have to actually listen to a plan to hear all sides and ideas. Whatever, So it wont be in MS thats fine! But honestly, just because 80 people filled a room doesnt mean ALL 80 were against it, maybe some wanted to hear more- but who was going to speak up and vocalize against an angry group of people? And I read the same articles as you. It was never decided 100% that THAT is where it was going to be. It was a thought, a plan, good or bad it was SOMETHING that was being done. And with that I am fine with. J-Bird13 and Todd Bosley, we are two seperate people, two seperate sides of Louisville. I am only someone that voiced my concerns TO HIM just like you when you set up the meeting, correct? |
| mollysupporter |
J-bird13
I will restate the fact that the meeting was NOT put together to discuss the plans with Mr. Bosley. This seems to be where your frustration is coming from. The meeting agenda was set up for a community discussion ONLY. The meeting with the commissioners was to be at a different time. Mr. Bosley was aware of this information. You are NOT the citizen that gave Mr. Bosley the ideas, but I DO know the citizen that did and those are the FACTS! Some of the ideas for a senior center, ect were not his ideas- that is why we were getting together to voice our concerns to take them back to the commissioners so that 'two heads were better than one'. I am impressed that Mr. Bosley took the suggestions of a citizen seriously and incorporated it into his proposed plan. The whole reason for the meeting may have been a success had the original agenda been allowed to proceed as set up. I am glad that there are two sides to every situation and I am one who wanted to hear both sides. Please reread my comments and you will see that the group that put this meeting in motion had and still has every intention of working with Mr. Bosley and the commisioners to help resolve the problem. We had no control over the fact that he chose to attend the meeting which at the time was really unappropriate- that was address with him prior to the meeting by one of the citizens. He made his choice to attend, which was his choice and instead of just listening-which was the only appropriate thing to do at THAT meeting, he chose to try and tell his side. Another meeting should have been proposed by Mr Bosley for anyone interested in hearing the plan to attend with the 'proposed plan' being the stated objective. He would have been able to present his plan and that would have been taken back to those that chose not to attend. Hind site they say is always 20/20, but as a person with over 30 years dealing with the public, there is always a right and a wrong time and Mr. Bosley let his emotions take control instead of stepping back and letting the proper channels proceed.
This township is very active in recycling. We just don't want a rural residential community to be turned industrial. Molly Stark is an historical site and has alot of history with it. There are many people that have alot of emotions tied with the property, especially those that were helped with the rehab center. We are aware that a park may increase car traffic, but not semi traffic with diesel fumes, road wear and tear, etc.. Mr. Bosley stated that there were three other sites in Stark county that were also being looked at. This facility may still end up in Stark County and I hope it does.
I will restate the FACT that were are working on a solution to HELP the commissioners with Molly Stark. We encourage all the feedback- positive and negative.
There have been several contacts made and we are working on getting a proposal together to take to the commissioners in a way to save the land. We appreciate all the comments, suggestions and support that the community can provide (positive and negative) since we are working together. I would like to thank you, J-bird13 for all your feedback. |
| J-bird13 |
You are right that Molly Stark is everything you said and more! Was it selfish to think that it could be restored to its beauty by the recycling center tax free, fine. But if you read this whole forum about how many people from all over then you'll know that that is why I am so passionate about the building, all this nonsense is just personal opinion. I am leaving it at that. I have pictures that'll last me a lifetime and if anyone wants to see them please feel free to contact me! IT was truly an amazing experience to be through it (even at its worst its gorgeous) and I will cherish it forever. |
| mollysupporter |
I actually wanted the opportunity to talk more with you at the meeting. You put together the DVD of pictures, correct? Me and my husband would love to see the pictures you took. I often went inside the main entrance as a child when we were riding our bikes around Molly. I also had the opportunity to go through a couple of the tunnels as a child and would be interested in seeing the pictures, even though I know many of them will be depressing due to the state of neglect. We are grateful that you took interest enough to put together the pictures! Living across my Molly my entire life, I thank you. |
| billijanet |
Wow... such discussion... such stories. I live near Molly also and confess that I haven't thought much of it. My youth group went in a couple of times and helped to lead an afternoon worship service for the residents back in the 80s. I do not have any "haunting stores" but do feel that there is a lot of "spirit" in Molly Stark... not the building, but the people that have lived and worked there... in their stories and lives that they have touched. Even though the future of the building and the land has yet to be determined, how can we preserve all the stories and pictures? I’d be interested in discussion this with more of you who care about Molly Stark and the community it has served. (8/19/08)
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| mollysupporter |
Update on the Molly Stark.
Stark Parks , Nimishillen Township Trustees, and the community have put together a plan to create a passive recreational park on the Molly Stark property. This park would have walking trails and picnic areas so the beauty of the land would be preserved. As part of the plan, there is a desire to maintain and restore the historical Main entrance area as the information center and restroom facilities. We need the community support to help this happen. Stark Parks will be meeting with the Stark County Commissioners on Thursday, September 25 at 1:00pm in the First Merit Building (110 Central Plaza)room Suite 240 to present the plan. Anyone that can attend the meeting is welcome and encouraged. If you are in support of adding this property to the Stark Parks District, please let the Stark County Commissioners know you support this proposed plan. |
| Ms. Ashley |
I'm not to sure how old this page is but im going to post anyways. I myself have walked the floors of Molly Starks. Now for those of you who don't know there are 2 different buildings. One which is very large, almost castle like. When we circled it all the windows and such were boarded so it was hard to see. But you could make out the rooms of where patients stayed. They were very dirty, small and run down. Also in some of the larger room where boxes. My guess is that in those are all the files of people that spent there last years there. The other building was much like the other just a lot smaller. It though had a passage way that was wide open welcoming anything that crosses its path. A few friends and I wondered in to check it out. It was beautiful yet scary at the same time. The rooms were empty and you could see the paint coming of the walls. One ceiling was caving in. The stairway in the main room looked as if it hadn't changed all that much. The outside was covered in moss and leaves. It was nothing like id seen before. What sparked my interest the most was all that was left behind. Books of papers that had patients names. Where on a scale from one to ten what the pain level was they were feeling.Coke cans, and old cans of chicken noodle soup. In one of the closets i found a stack of happy grams that never had been open. You could write on it and send it to a loved one. It was just amazing that so much history was just left to sit there and waste away. I never experienced and ghost like sights. But i could see the place, I felt as if i was back in that time and seeing how hard people worked in providing a life for someone.
I would love to go back with someone that has worked there and could tell me and explain what each room was used for and just give me an over all idea of all the history built in.
Like i said, ive never seen anything like it. |
| haroldbrueckner |
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Im a canton native although my mother grew up in louisville. My sister recently began working at a nursing home by Molly Stark Hospital. I have been intriqued by the place since I was younger. Im interested in knowing if anyone has had any experiences there. Im a big paranormal junkie and any stories or facts you could relay about molly stark hospital would be great.
Harold Brueckner, MBA, CPA |
| haroldbrueckner |
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Im a canton native although my mother grew up in louisville. My sister recently began working at a nursing home by Molly Stark Hospital. I have been intriqued by the place since I was younger. Im interested in knowing if anyone has had any experiences there. Im a big paranormal junkie and any stories or facts you could relay about molly stark hospital would be great.Hi, I lived there for 10+ yeard from 1947-1958. Contact me for additional information about the Hospital and the people who ran it. My father was the Superintendent & Medical Director of the hospital.
Harold Brueckner, MBA, CPA |
| haroldbrueckner |
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hi.. i am from alliance and i have alway's heard that ''molly stark''was haunted also.i do know that when my oldest brother worked there for community services he would alway's tell us he was scared to death in that place working & he hated it. did you know that underneath the whole estate there are tunnels? interesting!!! I lived there for 10+ years from 1047-1958. Yes there are tunnels to and from all of the main buildings. I used to ride my bike in the tunnels. They are under the sidewalks and carried the hot water from the boiler room to the various other buildings. Problem was, these pipes were covered with asbestos to keep the water hot. I'll never forget it. I was 7-18 years old. Molly Stark was a large part of my life. I hope the buildings are not torn down as I'd like to come back in May to see the place. I'm currently in TX.
Harold Brueckner, MBA, CPA |
| haroldbrueckner |
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have heard it housed TB patients but my grandmother was there in the 1930's and she didn't have TB. Although its said she was a nut case and i've heard it was also used for the nut cases It was a Tuberculosis Sanitarium and my father was the Superintendent and Medical Director. I came down with T.B. when I was 16 and my dad treated me. I missed the Junior year at Louisville High School because of the disease. I did hear that after Tuberculosis became under control that it did house mentally challenged persons, but I don't know that for a fact.
Harold Brueckner, MBA, CPA |
| haroldbrueckner |
I lived at Molly Stark as the child of the Superintendent & Medical Director of the hospital from 1947-1958. The hospital at that time treated persons who had Tuberculosis. I came down with it at 16 and was treated by my father. I missed the Junior year of high school at Louisville High because of the TB. I used to ride my bicycle on the sidewalks above the tunnels and sometimes in the tunnels themselves, although they were rather narrow, but a kid can do those things. The tunnels also had hot water pipes in them that ran hot water from the boiler room to the hospital, the nurses' home, the doctor's residences, and the superintendent's house. The pipes were encased with asbestos to insulate them. Of course, no one at that time knew what asbestos would do to a person's lungs. Fortunately, I did not come down with Mesothelomia. Four years ago I biked from Atlanta to Portland, ME in 16 days and from San Diego to Charleston, SC in 26 days. I guess my lungs are ok. There are no ghosts there. It is rather wierd, however, to go through the tunnels and see the "secret" storage areas sequestered in various areas of the tunnels. I hope to go back to Molly Stark in May and do hope the buildings are still there. I've been in TX for the past 40 years. Harold Brueckner, MBA, CPA |
| haroldbrueckner |
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My mother worked there for a long time as a nurse. My brother and I would often visit her at work . i personally have no ghost stories to tell but i know my mother has lots of intriging stories I have yet to hear. I mainly have memories of helping with the kids christmas parties. I am concerned though...do you realize you are committing a crime when you are breaking into Molly ?? I hope this activity is not causing further damage to the once beautiful building. I can only hope that maybe one day she will be restored to her former beauty.
My dad was Supertendent & Medical Director from 1947-1958. His name was the same as mine - Harold Brueckner. What is your mother's name? Either I or one of my siblings may have known her.Harold Brueckner, MBA, CPA |
| Cissa |
After living in this area for 20 years, I had always heard of Molly Stark Hospital, but never realy knew where it was. Recently I moved from Atwater to Canton and enjoyed taking the back roads to go visit my family. One day I drove past a beautiful old building in Namishlen twp, and upon passing the entrence, read the weather beaten yellow and black sign that read "Molly Stark Hospital"
I was amazed by the beauty of the arcatecture and the sheer size of the old building. Upon doing research i found that the building was possably going to be torn down due to neglect and recent Arson attempts.
Yesterday My husband, Mother and I went to the small festival held at the now Molly Stark Park in the front of the building and enjoyed the socilization of the local communities, and how there is such a love for the old building. Many people had talked about there memories of the building (including my mother who was a home care nurse for the area in the last few years the building was open) and the tale of the beautiful arcatectur inside. I pray that the Stark county park system can restore as much of the building and grounds as possable, but also know that some of the interior would take alot of work and cleaning to even make it safe for the general public to go inside again. (Wouldnt it make a great place for photos and family get togethers)
Edited by - cissa on 07/19/2009 1:00:54 PM
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| death17 |
its haunted im not playing
me n a few of my friends went up there and we tried to sneak in and we actually seen spirits in there it was awsome**** u |
| littlelooper |
my sister and i were looking at the building today, and i think it would be wonderful if they could restore some of it and make a musem |
| cantonsouth11 |
well some kids from canton south high school break into it all the time so if you ever see glow sticks by the door its Joey M. and Tim N........And hey said its so dark in there that you cant see anything not even yourself. |
| cantonsouth11 |
well some kids from canton south high school break into it all the time so if you ever see glow sticks by the door its Joey M. and Tim N........And hey said its so dark in there that you cant see anything not even yourself. |
| cantonsouth11 |
well some kids from canton south high school break into it all the time so if you ever see glow sticks by the door its Joey M. and Tim N........And hey said its so dark in there that you cant see anything not even yourself. |
| cantonsouth11 |
well some kids from canton south high school break into it all the time so if you ever see glow sticks by the door its Joey M. and Tim N........And hey said its so dark in there that you cant see anything not even yourself. |
| cantonsouth11 |
well some kids from canton south high school break into it all the time so if you ever see glow sticks by the door its Joey M. and Tim N........And hey said its so dark in there that you cant see anything not even yourself. |
| cantonsouth11 |
well some kids from canton south high school break into it all the time so if you ever see glow sticks by the door its Joey M. and Tim N........And hey said its so dark in there that you cant see anything not even yourself. |
| cantonsouth11 |
well some kids from canton south high school break into it all the time so if you ever see glow sticks by the door its Joey M. and Tim N........And hey said its so dark in there that you cant see anything not even yourself. |
| cantonsouth11 |
well some kids from canton south high school break into it all the time so if you ever see glow sticks by the door its Joey M. and Tim N........And hey said its so dark in there that you cant see anything not even yourself. |
